December 01, 2003

Stupid Iraqi Quotes

Stolen from an MSNBCarticle:

Many residents said Saddam loyalists attacked the Americans, but that U.S. forces began firing at random and many civilians got their guns and joined the fight. Many said residents were bitter about recent U.S. raids in the night.
“Why do they arrest people when they’re in their homes?” asked Athir Abdul Salam, a 19-year-old student. “They come at night to arrest people. So what do they expect those people to do?”


Okay, here's what I don't understand. Maybe it's a culture or translation thing *shrug*. The 19 year old student apparently seems shocked that people are being arrested when they are in their homes...at night. If you look at how police raids are done in the US, this is what I'd expect. I mean, if you want to capture someone and you know where they live, wouldn't a time when they are home be a good time to go in and arrest them?

Perhaps its a culture thing where the Iraqi's are used to Sadam's police force just busting in during the day and killing them, and this entire night time thing just confuses them.

Since most SWAT team members have significant military training, I'll use them as an example. Many drug raids are done late at night for a reason. When you are awakened suddenly, most people are very confused for a short period, especially when its to a flashbang. Heck, some people take a long time to wake up and function normally when they aren't awakend by a flashbang. The SWAT teams are specifically trained to be on top of their game at any time. They can also prepare for late night events since they will be planned in advanced. The people being raided have no idea anythings coming, and will be groggy/disoriented, making it usually very easy for the SWAT team to get in and out with a minimized risk to themselves.

Then we have:
Hassan, who was wounded by shrapnel in the battle. “They claim we are terrorists. So OK, we are terrorists. What do they expect when they drive among us?”

I'm fairly certain the US troops are under strict orders to not initiate firefights, its a fairly common thing when you are doing a police action. Now they might be allowed to shoot first if Joe Iraqi points his AK47 at them, but that's probably unlikely. I don't know for sure, maybe someone will care enough to search, but I'll just make up facts :) Doesn't picking up a weapon and shooting it at an occupying force pretty much make you an enemy soldier even if you have no formal military association? I'm know the German army wasn't really nice to french resistance fighters if they were discovered (yeah yeah...i just compared the US in Iraq to Germany in France...go me..someone give me a better example)

So in closing, what do we expect when we drive among you? MAYBE FOR YOU NOT TO F&@%!^g SHOOT US?

Posted by Cynan at December 1, 2003 03:57 PM
Comments

It's people like that guy that make me want to do 2 things:
(0) get the US to pull out if iraq
(1) start a business selling wood chippers there.

Ok, so maybe that was a little over the top... but at this point he's either been "liberated" or "conquered", depending on perspective. Either way, if he wants us out, not shooting at us is a good start. If only the lessons of Vietnam and Mogadishu could be erased... fortunately this is a different president, and this guy (and a lot of iraqis, apparently) have missed that.

Posted by: Naginata at December 3, 2003 09:02 AM

At the risk of getting chewed out again...

Yes, let's leave Iraq how that we've created utter chaos in their country so that the guy with the most guns (but not WMDs!) can show up and declare himself dictator. I'm firmly convinced it was a bad idea to go there in the first place, but we can't leave now. We made this bed and now we get to lie in it.

What lessons from Vietnam and Somalia are you wanting to erase, exactly? Cause Bush seems to be ignoring most of them pretty successfully already.

Posted by: Meghan at December 3, 2003 07:18 PM
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